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prong collars

Postby MaggieRocks » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:45 pm

Anyone use a prong collar on their brit? I'm considering getting one for Sammy. He's pretty good about walking around the yard, but if there is ANY kind of distraction, or if we walk on the rail trail and he sees another dog, he goes nuts. He's my senior boy-9 years old, about 40 lbs, and strong as an ox! Just wondering if anyone has used one and what their experience has been.
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Re: prong collars

Postby dmedric » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:47 pm

I've never had much luck with prong collars, but recently tried a new harness on my Cooper and it has worked wonderfully. It's called the SENSE-ation harness -- leash attaches at the front of the dog's chest (www.softouchconcepts.com). Might be worth looking at.
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Re: prong collars

Postby Cindy » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:53 am

Never used a prong collar but we used the Gentle Leader Harness on Jill when we first got her and that worked well.
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Re: prong collars

Postby Lisa » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:32 pm

I finally broke down and started using a prong on Buster when we walk in the park. The birds and squirrels were just too much for him. He heels beautifully in most circumstances, but the park was just too much. He does very well with a prong, and I haven't regretted using it.
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Re: prong collars

Postby MaggieRocks » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:09 pm

Lisa-I've never used a prong before. What can you tell me about fitting? What brand do you have? I've heard of the "good dog collar"...I think it is now called the starmark, or triple crown collar. But I have never actually seen one in a store; only online.

http://www.triplecrowndogs.com/product/ ... ollar.html

Someone else recommended the herm springer brand-said this one has prongs that are not as "sharp" as others. I've also been told to make sure the collar has a "latch". Otherwise, it is a big pain to take on and off.

The thing that worries me most is, I've heard prong collars can come apart, and to always use a "back up" collar. Has yours ever come apart, and do you use a back up?

I forgot about the gentle leader. We had one for Maggie (she hated it). I don't remember if we ever put it on Sam or not, but it is definitely worth a try.

We have a halter on him now. The one we have on him doesn't do anything to stop him from pulling, but it keeps him from choking himself, the silly boy! With the one he's wearing, the leash attaches up at his shoulder blades. We also bought a "sporn" halter, but haven't been using it.

http://sporn.com/training/sporn-halter/

This is also buried among the leash & collar collection we have! I should probably break out the sporn halter and the gentle leader and give them each a try to see how he does. DH is determined to buy a prong collar, though, so I want to beat him to the punch and make sure we get a reliable and safe brand, and not the first, cheap one he comes across!
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Re: prong collars

Postby Lisa » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:10 pm

MaggieRocks wrote:Lisa-I've never used a prong before. What can you tell me about fitting? What brand do you have? I've heard of the "good dog collar"...I think it is now called the starmark, or triple crown collar. But I have never actually seen one in a store; only online.


Fitting - Buster's collar fits loose around his neck when the leash is loose. If he pulls, the collar tightens so that the prongs are touching his skin, but not digging in. I measured Buster's neck, right around the middle, with the tape snug, but not tight against the skin. Then, I straightened out the prong collar, pulled all the slack out of the chain, and got the one that was closest to his neck measurement. I think I ended up getting a 14 inch collar and one extra link to make it a 15 inch collar.

Brand - generic Petsmart - I think it's Top Paw? http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.j ... Id=2754857

Good Dog Collar - I don't like them. They feel cheap to me. I worry about either the plastic links or the cloth bit breaking or fraying. Plus, the cloth part that connects the plastic prongs worries me. The cloth can fray a bit, making it not slide as smoothly as chain, so the collar can stick and it either won't loosen up or won't tighten up correctly.


MaggieRocks wrote:Someone else recommended the herm springer brand-said this one has prongs that are not as "sharp" as others. I've also been told to make sure the collar has a "latch". Otherwise, it is a big pain to take on and off.


Mine does not have a latch. At first, it was a little tough to get on and off, but with practice, it's not that bad. My biggest challenge is just getting Buster to quit wiggling long enough! The Top Paw one I have does not have sharp prongs....in fact, no prong collar should have "sharp" prongs. The tips should be rounded, not pointy. I put the collar around my upper arm and pulled it sharply, to make sure it wouldn't hurt Buster. It was uncomfortable, but didn't even leave red marks on me.

MaggieRocks wrote:The thing that worries me most is, I've heard prong collars can come apart, and to always use a "back up" collar. Has yours ever come apart, and do you use a back up?


A good quality prong should not come apart. If it's coming apart, it's probably too big (fitting too loosely when the leash is loose) or it's old and the links have lost their tension, or the collar wasn't put on securely to start with. After a year of almost daily use on 3 mile walks, mine has never come apart and is still in good shape. I have never used a back up. When we walk, Buster is close enough to me that even were the collar to fall apart, I'd be able to grab some piece of him (probably a back leg) before he got too far!

MaggieRocks wrote:I forgot about the gentle leader. We had one for Maggie (she hated it). I don't remember if we ever put it on Sam or not, but it is definitely worth a try.


I tried a GL on Buster first, and he fought it so much that I couldn't even walk him. Then when he did pull, I didn't like the way his head got pulled around to the side.

MaggieRocks wrote:We have a halter on him now. The one we have on him doesn't do anything to stop him from pulling, but it keeps him from choking himself, the silly boy! With the one he's wearing, the leash attaches up at his shoulder blades. We also bought a "sporn" halter, but haven't been using it.


I tried a harness with Buster first too, and again, it didn't stop his pulling. He was much more concerned about getting to the squirrels than about walking nicely.

MaggieRocks wrote: DH is determined to buy a prong collar, though, so I want to beat him to the punch and make sure we get a reliable and safe brand, and not the first, cheap one he comes across!


After 6 years of walking Buster in all kinds of environments with no issues, I finally had to just admit that in this one particular environment, I needed something that was aversive enough to overcome his desire to pull to get to the squirrels and birds. I ended up trying a friend's prong collar for a few walks, before buying one, and it worked well enough that I went and bought one.
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Re: prong collars

Postby MaggieRocks » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:38 pm

Lisa, thank you. I may try to stop in at PetSmart tomorrow to take a look at the options.
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Re: prong collars

Postby Helen E. » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:28 am

You can buy vinyl tips for the prongs. I have a prong collar with the tips for Dixie. It's the only collar that doesn't choke her.
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Re: prong collars

Postby adele » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:36 am

I used a prong on Lola for awhile when she was small. It worked at first but after awhile she just took the pain and cried while she was pulling me down the street. After I noticed little prick marks on her neck I stopped using it. I switched to a harness and spent the next year frustrated to the point of doggy-cide trying to teach her not to pull. Good news - It can be done. She's a pretty good walker now. Anyway, the point is to check to make sure the prong isn't actually doing any damage to the dog.
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Re: prong collars

Postby AuntieMom » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:17 pm

We use prong collars for our dogs. We bought our first one through a vet clinic that offers obedience training and got advice on how to fit it.
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Re: prong collars

Postby Jessica » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:22 pm

I use one on Eli because at 52 lbs he could pull me off my feet no problem (and I'm not small!) He's incredibly strong, I tried the Gentle Leader on him and all it did was make him upset. Anyway, I was shown that the prong collar should not be tight when it's on but you should not be able to pull it over his head. As mentioned, it's not hard to get on and off once you do it a few times. He tried pulling a few times but a quick correction stopped him. He did not ever decide to "deal with" the pain and is very well behaved now with it on, he no longer needs the correction. However if don't use it and try to walk him he'll still pull me down the street. So he's smart enough to know just to walk nicely if it's on. He's also learned to sit nicely and wait for me to put it on him :D

I've been using it for about 3 years and it shows no signs of coming apart.

Also, never leave it on them unattended (like in the car, etc) because if it gets caught it will really hurt them.
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Re: prong collars

Postby britlover » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:37 pm

I also use prong collars since I'm usually walking my 2 plus occasionally a 3rd foster - impossible without something to deter the "sled dog" instinct that seems to kick in with multiple dogs walking together. I unknowingly purchased a prong collar with the "latch" for easy on/off and it is the only collar that has come "undone" while walking the dogs :shock: , so it is kept in reserve for times when I have more dogs than prong collars, and then I only use it on my dogs with reliable recall....never on a foster. I tried the gentle leader and did not have much success with it so I gave in to the prong collar and never regretted it. No special brand, but at some point I ordered extra links that seem to work with all the collars so I can adjust to any newcomer to my pack.
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