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Postby lara » Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:37 pm

Jemee, my rescue dog, has been peeing in her sleep. We've had a lot of changes this past year....I got married to a guy with a dog (so we now have three), and we had a baby. She seems to be rather intimidated by my husband and sometimes 'piddles' when he comes home from work. But the nighttime urinating is a bigger problem. We've had her on one med and my husband, a vet, is going to try another one as the first isn't helping.

My question is...is there any Brittany-typical diseases or problems that this may be related to? My husband is a vet, and so starts with the general possible causes. Is there anything else that could be causing it?

I forgot to add...she's only about 3-4 years old. She's recently gained weight as we don't have as much time to exercise her, but its starting to go back down.
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Postby Barb Wright » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:34 pm

Lara....first of all, this is a dog thing not a Brittany thing :!: That being said, we have had quite a few interesting discussions about this very thing. You can either use the "Search" function at the top of the page and type in "incontinence", choose "posts" and it will bring up all past discussions where incontinence is mentioned. Some good information there from lots of folks with experience dealing with this. Or, to narrow it down somewhat go here:

http://forum.americanbrittanyrescue.org ... ce&start=0

And, if you really want a whole bunch of education (this was posted before and is in our archives), here are more sites than you probably feel like reading :wink:

Incontinence:

http://www.vetinfo4dogs.com/dincont.html
http://www.vet4petz.com/articles/urinar ... inence.htm
http://www.vetinfo4dogs.com/dphenylpropanolamine.html
http://www.ygrr.org/doginfo/health-urin ... nence.html

See the following websites for more info on incontinence in dogs:
http://www.auntjeni.com/incont.htm
http://www.herbal-treatments.com.au/art ... nence.html

Incontinence Help Products:

Here is a slightly updated list of the things that can be used to treat incontinence:

o PPA (phenylpropanolamine), decongestant, see http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm ... cleid=1460

o Estrogen, usually DES or Estradiol, see http://www.marvistavet.net/html/diethyl ... _des_.html and http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm ... cleid=1409

o Homeopathics such as Bedwetting (sold for children) and Enuraid (human), also see http://www.naturalcanine.com/html/incontinence.html and http://www.extendedyears.com/lib/40302.html#urinary

There is also one made for dogs called Leaks No More from Homeopet that some people have reported success with, see http://www.revivalanimal.com/Detail.cfm ... 0No%20More

o Cornsilk, see Kidni Kare at http://www.b-naturals.com/herbs.htm for an example of an herbal product for incontinence that includes Cornsilk

o Acupuncture has helped some dogs with incontinence. If it is spay incontinence, it is said that doing acupuncture on the spay incision can be helpful.

WHEW !! :) But lots of info there to help make informed decisions 8) :)

A good beginning while you are figuring all this out would be to not let her have any water after a certain time in the evening, preferably 1-2 hours before bed time, plus making sure she has a good chance for a "potty break" just before bedding down for the night.

Hope all this helps some :)
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Postby Lisa » Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:29 pm

Couple of suggestions for a couple of the things you mentioned in your post.

First, the piddling when hubby comes home. It’s called submissive peeing, and it usually occurs when a dog is trying to show that they are being…you guessed it…submissive. Usually it is seen in young dogs, but can also come about from big lifestyle changes. One way to deal with it is to do greetings outside or in an easily cleaned area…since it’s a new behavior, once she gets used to things, it might stop. Also, have hubby give a really low key greeting, at the dog’s level. So, come in the house, kneel down to eye level with the dog, pat on head, give a hi, or good dog, then walk away and ignore. Better yet, walk in and completely ignore the dog for a few minutes…put away coats, briefcase, keys, etc and give the dog a chance to calm down, then greet at her level. Submissive peeing is not something that is easily trained out, but can be managed and as the dog gets more comfortable it will lessen. My folk’s Cairn Terrier used to piddle at every greeting from people or dogs. Now, it’s just when she sees my female dog…quite an improvement.

As for the incontinence…no offense to hubby, as it is his profession, but I think I would have started with testing for a UTI or bladder infection (unless you already ruled that out). Both can cause inappropriate urinating. If those are negative, I’d look at how much water she’s drinking at night, and start to limit that…maybe she’s drinking so much that she can’t hold it and isn’t waking up. Stress can cause an increase in water consumption…resulting in an increase in urination. If limiting water doesn’t help, I’d suspect spay incontinence. Barb posted some great links for that.

Best of luck with everything.
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Postby kat » Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:36 pm

My female Britt "wet the bed" after a certain age, seems like it was around 10+, and we put her on PPA which worked wonders. Around 14 or 15 she started wetting at night again, but we were pretty much at the max on what we were giving her, and by that time she had developed a heart murmur, so no more PPA. We went to DES, that didn't look like it was going to work, but after several weeks at a rather high dose, it kicked in and we were able to cut it down quite a bit. I don't know if you would want to give DES to a young dog, tho', some not so good side effect possibilities. Are there other vets in the area your DH could call and pick their brains? (kinda hard to get a "second opinion"!!) As for the submissive peeing, what Lisa said exactly, but sure your DH knows that stuff too. Good luck, let us know, we're always interested in how these things work out.
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Postby votesippel » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:26 pm

Hi, my Britt, Patty, rescued from a shelter, has a similar problem, but her incontinence happens after we go for a walk and then lies down. Fortunately, it doesn't happen very often, maybe once or twice a month. We have tried the hormones, but not the PPA (is this the same drug that has been taken off the market by the FDA?). Anyway, just wanted to thank all of those who posted all of the information. I think we will try some of the suggestions and see if we can help her. She is so insecure and this just makes her worse, even though we don't punish her in any way for it. Thanks, Laurie
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Postby Dave » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:48 pm

Hi Laurie Welcome to our discussions :) . Insecurity can be overcome by taking your Brittany to a group obedience class . It builds their confidence as well as making a good companion . Expose her to people in many different venues and with time she will not be insecure . 8) Dave
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Postby kat » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:50 pm

Yes, the PPA was taken off the market for humans, but you can still get it for your dog from your vet (or any of the on-line pet rx sites, you do need an rx for it). Your vet can tell you if it's right for your girl. You're so good not to scold, you know she can't help it. Good luck, let us know if you find something that works.
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