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Differences in trials???

Postby Norway » Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:04 am

I'm trying to figure what the difference between these trials are?
National Open All Age - National Amateur All Age - National Gun Dog - National Amateur Gun Dog.

In Norway we have forest trials, "lavland" trials and mountain trials. Forest and lavland take place only at fall, mountain trials take place both fall and winter. Forest trials August-November, lavland trials October-November. Mountain trials August-October and February-April. In Norway all breeds compete against each other, pointers, setters, Britt's, shorthairs etc. 3 classes in all trials except forest, there it's only adult class. The 3 classes are youth class (up to 24 months) adult class (24 months and up) and winners class (all dogs with 1.price in adult class). 2 dogs are running together in a heat for 10-15 min, except forest, then only one dog is out running. It's only in winners class that the dogs really compete against each other. In youth and adult class they still compete in finding birds, but both can get 1.price if they are good enough. We have 1.-3.price in forest, youth and adult class. And in winners class up to the 6 best are getting placed. To get a price or a placement the dog must find a bird(s). To get 1.price the dog must flush the bird. If he have a opportunity to flush it but he refuses he gets no price and are excluded for the rest of the day. If the dog runs after the bird (after flushing the bird or if he involuntarily flushes the bird) more than 30 meters in youth class and 5-8 meters in winners and adult class no price. To get 1.price all classes except winners class the combined time must be at least 1 hour. The dog must have a search that suits the terrain. The price is determined by the search, chances on birds and the treatment of the birds. To get a price in winners class, forest and to get 1.price in adult class the dog must retrieve a bird. Which bird depends on which trial. No retrieving, no price. Sometimes only 1 or 0 get placed in winner class if the dogs don't behave :)

"Lavland" mean hunting in fields. Where we live we don't have these. These trials are only at the south of Norway. Where we live we have forest trials and mountain trials. Forest trials take place in the forest off course, and the mountain trials take place in the mountains. We always use our feet, no horses in Norway :) We use ski in the winter. Sometimes we must walk 30-60 min to get to the trial terrains. The trials usually last all day at mountain trials, from 8 in the morning to 7-8 in the evening in the early fall.

We have National championships (NM) in mountain trial both fall and winter and lavland fall. Only winner class dogs may enter. Forest trials has NM at fall. Only dogs with 1.price in adult class may enter the NM in forest. Only 1.price youth under the age of 24 months may enter the Derby. We have derby at fall and winter + lavland at the fall. At fall we have NM-team in mountain trials. 3 of the best dogs in field trials through the year from each breed compete. Brittany's have won this several times :)

I could tell you a lot more, but these are the ground rules. Just ask if you wonder about something!

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Postby Karen_P » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:28 am

It sounds like your "forest trials" would be comparable to our coverdog or grouse woods trials. Not sure if we have something comparable to your "mountain trials" but the rules are a little different here.

The National Gun Dog Championship and National Amateur Gun Dog Championship is help every October in Ionia, Michigan (or at least has been the last 2 years and I beleive the plan is to continue there).

We'll start with the National Gun Dog Championship - This is a trial that you have to qualify for. You need a 1st place at Brittany Trial with at least 13 entries, or a 2nd place with at least 25 entries in the Open Gun Dog Stake. "Open" means that the stake is open to professional trainers/handlers (someone who has taken money for training in the last 2 years, or lives with someone who qualifies as a pro).

The NGDC is a 1 hour horseback stake, so the dogs must run a forward, horseback ground race, be totally steady to wing, flush and shot, they must have a bird of their own (backing doesn't count), if presented with the opportunity to back, they must do so. The dog must handle for their handler. If missing for more than a total of 12 minute, they are disqualified (I'm pretty sure 12 is the magic number....could be 10). They must finish as strong as they start. There are 3 judges, where a normal trial has 2. This year I'm told they looked for perfect, stylish birdwork more than run. Last year they looked for an abundance of bird work, the year before run...range, application...was the prize winning feature. It all depends on the judges.

The NAGDC is NOT open to professional handlers, and is a 1 hour foot handled stake. The dogs must run a forward walking dog ground race (which is different from a horseback dog in pattern and application), must have bird work of their own, must be steady to wing, flush and shot, must back and must finish as strongly as they started.

The National Amateur All Age Championship (NAFC) is a 1 hour horseback stake open to amateur handlers only. The qualifications are the same as the NGDC...1st in a 13 dog stake or 2nd in a 25 dog Amateur All Age stake. The criteria is the same as the NGDC, except the dogs are expected to range out much farther than a gun dog and therefore are expected to be out of sight more than a gun dog. They still must be steady to wing, flush and shot, must back, must have bird work of their own, and must finish as strongly as they started.

The National All Age Championship has the same criteria as the NAFC but is considered and "open" stake...open to professional handlers. Dogs still need to qualify and must meet all the standards set above in the NAFC.

What's interesting to note is that at the gun dog championships quail are planted before each brace. In Booneville, AR where the All Age Championships are held, thousands of quail are liberated at the beginning of the season so bird work isn't as abundant. Those dogs have to really work for every bird they find.

Hope that helps Norway. I've been working on a website for some friends who won the NGDC in 2005 and 2007. They've given me their "trip to the nationals" stories for each year to post. The 2005 one is quite a tear jerker, but both give a blow-by-blow of the winning dog's brace.

Here's the 2005 story: http://www.hitbrits.com/tragedy.htm

Here's the 2007 story: http://www.hitbrits.com/road.htm

Here's the main website: http://www.hitbrits.com
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Postby Norway » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:44 pm

Thanks!
The dogs must back here in Norway too in adult and winners class.

What a sad story! :cry: But a great end to it! A very brave boy.
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