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Maggie-shakes/not eating

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Last week, Maggie gave us a scare. She was fine Wed morning. My SIL stops in around 2:30 to take the dogs out, and she was fine then. My husband got home from work and let the dogs out. Maggie runs off-leash, so he didn't notice anything wrong. Sent the dogs back in the house and he went out to start plowing snow. When I got home, I also went out to shovel the sidewalks. I went in to feed everyone around 5:45. Maggie stood at her food bowl, not eating, and her whole body was trembling. It didn't look like a seizure-she just stood there and her whole body was kind of shaking. My husband came in, and he took her outside. She laid down in the snow and didn't move. This is a dog who LOVES the snow, and will run around having a ball. He had to pick her up and carry her back in the house.

I called my vet, but they had just closed, so I ended up calling my old vet where we used to go. He did an exam and took x-rays, found nothing wrong. He said he would send the x-rays to a specialist to see if there was anything he had missed. He gave her a shot for pain and one for nausea. We went home, Maggie went in her crate (where she NEVER goes-she's either on the couch or in our bed) and she slept all night.

The next morning I took her out on a leash and she peed, went back in the house and back into her crate. Vet called, x-rays didn't show anything definite and he recommended blood tests. I called our regular vet and she said if they would send her the digital x-rays, she would do another exam and blood tests. Husband took her in Friday morning. Same thing-couldn't find anything wrong. By then, though, she was slowly getting back to normal. By Sat, you wouldn't know anything was wrong. She was eating again, trying to steal cat food and playing. Blood tests showed nothing, so we thought maybe it was just a fluke.

Yesterday, I went to my Mom's after work and didn't get home till 7:30. Came home and my husband said it happened again. He got home, let the dogs out and Maggie went out and played just like normal. When he went to feed them, she stood at her bowl, trembling, not eating. She went up to bed and stayed there all evening. She came down on her own later, but went into her crate again and slept all night. This morning, she ate maybe half of what she usually does and is just laying on the couch.

Any ideas what is going on? She hasn't thrown up at all. When we've taken her out on a leash, everything has been normal-no diarrhea. There's been no change of food (she eats Taste of the Wild) and there's nothing wrong with the other 2 dogs. She'll be 10 in March,and has been perfectly healthy all her life. Our vet had said if it happened again, the next step would be an ultrasound. It just seems so strange that both times, it happened in the evening after being fine all day, and the only thing we can see out of the ordinary is that she seems to stand there and tremble and refuses to eat. We're worried about our old girl.

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Yikes, this is unsettling and I have no idea as to what might be wrong. Does anything "hurt" like a muscle or something that maybe comes and goes? Have you tried enticing her to eat by putting gravy over her food (that's what did the trick for Kayla recently). I've always associate trembling with either feeling nauseous or pain but more often ... pain. Sorry I can't be more help but please keep us posted.
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We had baked chicken pie last night, and my husband tried to give her a nice piece of chicken with some gravy. She licked a little at the gravy and left the chicken on the plate. (She NEVER turns down food from the table!) Now this evening, she is perfectly fine. Ate her food and was playing. This is so bizarre. The one vet did mention that it seemed to bother her some when he touched her tummy. But it doesn't make sense that it comes and goes,and seems to last 24-48 hours. I am keeping a record now just in case it happens again. I might get in touch with her breeder, too, to see if she might know anything.

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This sounds quite a bit like what Cassie experienced most of her life. What happened was that sometimes (and there was no figuring out the "why", it only happened sometimes, maybe not for several weeks at a time) the food would not leave her stomach in a timely fashion...the outlet to the gut just seemed to close up.....and she would experience pain, 8 to 24 hours seemed to be the spectrum. No diarrhea, no vomiting, just pain. Finally when she was about 10 a vet used barium laced food, just a small amount, and then florescoped (sp?) her stomach every 1/2 hour to see what was happening to the food. It took over four hours for just a very small amount of food to make it out of her stomach. It was deemed to be stress related along with a congenital fault, and she was put on Metaclopramide which was actually a miracle drug for her. Stopped the symptoms for months at a time. However, the drug had some not so good side effects, but at least it relieved the pain from the episodes.

Since this is late-onset for Maggie....Cassie had her problem from the very beginning.....it might not be the same thing, just sounds similar. Hopefully all the tests will come up with some answers for you. I sure will be interested to hear just what you find out. These "mysterious" ailments just drive a person nuts!!!
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Yeah, I just don't get it. Both times it happened, it was in the evening before she ate (although she ate fine each morning). Now this morning, she had another "episode" (what my husband is calling them now), but not as bad. I got up insanely early to run the dogs out (I think Sam woke up and needed to go) so they all went out. When we came back in, I decided to feed them so they would let me go back to bed and sleep till a reasonable hour. So, they ate at 5am (they usually eat at 5:30, so it wasn't that much earlier than their regular schedule). Maggie ate just fine, and we all went back to bed.

Around 9am, my husband was on the couch with Maggie, and he said he thought she was breathing hard. She wasn't actually panting, but he thought she wasn't acting normal. Shortly after that, she jumped off the couch, went into the kitchen and into her crate-a sure sign that something is wrong. I made a late breakfast of bacon & eggs. I swear, Sunday is Maggie's favorite day of the week, because DH ALWAYS shares his breakfast with the dogs! This morning, Maggie watched us eat and didn't even get out of her crate.

I remember that when the first vet looked at her x-rays, he said there was a little bit of food in her stomach even though she hadn't eaten her dinner. But, I think my sister in law usually gives each dog a Milk Bone before she leaves, so it may have been that. And he said there was something in her intestines (?) but not enough to consider her constipated. Everything appeared normal. But I will definitely mention Cassie's stomach issues next time I talk to the vet.

One more thing my husband reminded me of-when we took Maggie in for her annual exam last year (the first time with the new vet) she asked if anyone ever mentioned a heart murmur. I said no. She said she thought she heard one. When we took Maggie in with her first episode 2 weeks ago, this vet also said he thought he heard a heart murmur. How could this go undetected for 9 years, or is it something that can happen later in life? I wouldn't expect a heart murmur would be the cause of this, but now I'm going to worry about every little thing!

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No, I wouldn't worry about the heart murmur. Annie first had a slight one detected when she was about 4 and it stayed that way for years. By the time she was about 10 or 11 it could be heard a little more and it never caught up with her until she was 14. I've certainly heard of other dogs with heart murmurs that never progressed at all so I "think" I'd scratch that one off the worry list for the time being. :) :) Sure would like to know what was going on with her though.
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After Maggie ate her breakfast Sun morning, she lay around all day and didn't eat anymore at all. Monday, Tuesday and today so far, she has been perfectly fine! I have started writing down each time she eats, how much, when she poops, etc, to see if I can figure out any kind of "trigger" or time when this happens, but so far, I can't figure anything out. It just seems random. One thing my husband mentioned is that the first time, her whole body trembled and that is what really scared us. He said the 2nd time, she trembled but not nearly as bad. And then the last 2 times, there was no trembling at all-the only sign something was wrong is that she stopped eating and lay in her crate or in bed all day.

I'm expecting a call from the vet today. (I called yesterday, but she was out of the office.) I want to get her thoughts on following up with an ultrasound, and also, if she thinks an ultrasound would even show anything unless it is done when Maggie is actually having an episode. Do you think a sore tooth could be the cause? The 1st vet mentioned she had a tooth that was really worn down. But, when she eats, she eats fine. And when she has an episode, she doesn't eat a bite and then stop as if in pain-she just doesn't eat at all. This is so frustrating to not know what is going on!

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Not knowing is totally the worst thing. I'm thinking about the teeth - as Kayla has gotten older she definitely eats more slowly, almost like it hurts to crunch on the kibble. Her teeth have been checked any number of times and seem to be perfectly fine. But there's no doubt that she eats a whole lot more slowly but I'm just happy she's just eating. Makes me wonder if "something" happens to their teeth with the aging process but I have no idea. The log might be rally helpful and, perhaps, it will show something up. Still a mystery so I appreciate the updates.
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